Discussion for Audience, Tone, and Pathos in "A Modest Proposal"
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Regarding audience as a rhetorical device, type the best quote/summary (with page number from our source) you have found in "A Modest Proposal." Include your name inside the post to receive credit for this discussion.
Pg.5“I grant this food will be somewhat dear and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.” Swift means that he basically got rid of the parents and the Landlords will have ownership over the children and can sell them. -Stephanie West
Page 2 "But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them, as those who demand our charity in the streets." Refers to the people of Ireland and makes the reader feel sympathy.
Page 9 "the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old, and upwards, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, besides the profit of a new dish, introduced to the tables o all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom, who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among our selves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture." Swift is persuading the reader how this will benefit the people and the kingdom. Hien Nguyen
Page 6 "I believe no gentlemen would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as i have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants, the mother will have eight shillings neat profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child" the audience is the gentleman who gets the 10 shillings for selling the child and the mother who receives it Raul hidalgo
As to our City of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose, in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs. (Page 6) Swift is referring to the slaughterhouses of Dublin in regards to his proposition. -Bruce Layton
Page 5. "A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the force or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter." I love how descriptive it is, of the dish,as well as which time of the year it is best for.
Regarding tone as a rhetorical device, type the best quote/summary (with page number from our source) you have found in "A Modest Proposal." Include your name inside the post to receive credit for this discussion.
Pg.6 “Those who are more thrifty may flea the carcass, the skin of which, artificially dressed, will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.” Swift is being sarcastic. Stephanie West
PG.6 " although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs" The writer is being sarcastic
Page 3 "There only remain an hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this summer shall be reared, and provided for?" Swift is being sorrow - Raul Hidalgo
“But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known, that they are every day dying, and rotting, by cold and famine, and filth, and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected”, (Page 8) Swift is being apathetic toward the whole child starvation situation. -Bruce Layton
Regarding pathos as a rhetorical device, type the best quote/summary (with page number from our source) you have found in "A Modest Proposal." Include your name inside the post to receive credit for this discussion.
Pg.4 "...whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust." This brings disgust in the readers mind.
Pg. 5-6 “I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar’s child to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child,which,as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him.” I found this humorous because it sounds ridiculous. -Stephanie West
Page 2 "There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas!" This tries to persuade the reader about his proposal, by making the reader feel pity for the children.
PG 4 " I have been assure by a very knowing American in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust" This made me feel a sense of disgust.
"Men would become as fond of their wives, during the time of their pregnancy, as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, or sow when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage." (Page 10) This gives a feeling of resentment and sorrow on behalf of the women being treated like livestock. -Bruce Layton
"that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, baked, or boiled" (Swift 4) - This would catch a reader by surprise and I imagine make them feel repulsed by the thought of eating children Mat Logston
Regarding audience as a rhetorical device, type the best quote/summary (with page number from our source) you have found in "A Modest Proposal." Include your name inside the post to receive credit for this discussion.
ReplyDelete"The roads and cabin doors crowded with beggars of the female sex". The writer is trying to portray women/girls
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DeletePg. 3 "There only remain an hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born." This refers to poor children
DeletePg. 4, "informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan," he is writing to government
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Pg.5“I grant this food will be somewhat dear and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.” Swift means that he basically got rid of the parents and the Landlords will have ownership over the children and can sell them. -Stephanie West
DeletePg. 5, "...very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.”
DeleteSwift suggests the audience has already stolen everything else from the Irish Catholics and should fully deny them hope.
Page 2 "But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number
Deleteof infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them,
as those who demand our charity in the streets." Refers to the people of Ireland and makes the reader feel sympathy.
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PG 2 " cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of commonwealth" referring to Society
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PG 2 "cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the commonwealth" refers to Society
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Page 9 "the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old, and upwards, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, besides the profit of a new dish, introduced to the tables o all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom, who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among our selves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture."
DeleteSwift is persuading the reader how this will benefit the people and the kingdom.
Hien Nguyen
Page 6 "I believe no gentlemen would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as i have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants, the mother will have eight shillings neat profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child" the audience is the gentleman who gets the 10 shillings for selling the child and the mother who receives it
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As to our City of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose, in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs. (Page 6) Swift is referring to the slaughterhouses of Dublin in regards to his proposition. -Bruce Layton
DeletePage 5. "A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the force or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter." I love how descriptive it is, of the dish,as well as which time of the year it is best for.
DeleteRegarding tone as a rhetorical device, type the best quote/summary (with page number from our source) you have found in "A Modest Proposal." Include your name inside the post to receive credit for this discussion.
ReplyDelete"cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the commonwealth"- The writer is sympathizing with them
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DeletePg. 4 "..a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food," Swift is trying to be sarcastic.
DeletePg. 3, " ...children of poor parents annually born. " he is talking Misery
DeletePg.6 “Those who are more thrifty may flea the carcass, the skin of which, artificially dressed, will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.” Swift is being sarcastic. Stephanie West
DeletePage 11 "I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal" The writer is being sarcastic.
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PG.6 " although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs" The writer is being sarcastic
DeletePage 3 "There only remain an hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this summer shall be reared, and provided for?" Swift is being sorrow
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“But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known, that they are every day dying, and rotting, by cold and famine, and filth, and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected”, (Page 8) Swift is being apathetic toward the whole child starvation situation. -Bruce Layton
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ReplyDelete"There only remain a hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born" - This depicts sadness
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DeletePg.4 "...whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust." This brings disgust in the readers mind.
DeletePg.8, " that they are every day dying, " this brings a feeling of impotence to the reader
DeletePg. 5-6 “I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar’s child to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child,which,as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him.” I found this humorous because it sounds ridiculous. -Stephanie West
DeletePage 2 "There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas!"
DeleteThis tries to persuade the reader about his proposal, by making the reader feel pity for the children.
Mauricio Cordero
PG 4 " I have been assure by a very knowing American in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust" This made me feel a sense of disgust.
Delete"Men would become as fond of their wives, during the time of their pregnancy, as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, or sow when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage." (Page 10) This gives a feeling of resentment and sorrow on behalf of the women being treated like livestock. -Bruce Layton
Delete"that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, baked, or boiled" (Swift 4) - This would catch a reader by surprise and I imagine make them feel repulsed by the thought of eating children
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