Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Responding to Think Like a Freak: Chapters 8 & 9

Respond to the following key points that Levitt and Dubner make in chapters eight and nine. Fully develop each response. Respond to two of your peers' assertions.


"Keep the insults to yourself" (Chapter 8).


"...is failure necessarily so terrible?" (Chapter 9).





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  1. They key points Levitt and Dubner make in chapters 8 and 9 are the keep the insults to yourself and is failure necessarily so terrible. Keep the insults to yourself is key to be able to persuade someone who does not wish to be persuaded. Name-calling when you want to persuade will only make it worse, but rather to tell stories to be more believable. Is failure necessarily so terrible I do not think so. Failure may not be considered a total lost, but once you start thinking like a freak you will find that failure can provide valuable feedback. As much as people can still go as far to celebrating failure.
    Alexis Garza
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    1. I agree with you on chapter 9 like it say 'failure can provide valuable feedback"

      Parth Patel

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    2. Yes you are right about keeping insults to your self. Name calling is not necessarily it only belittles a person and it is hurtful. So if you want them to listen to your story you should at less acknowledge them and be friendly.
      yes that is true taking time to think like a freak does open up your mind to valuable feedback and realizing yes I failed put I can get up and try again. when trying again it opens up the opportunity to be successful.

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    3. Vilma Munoz - ENGL 1301.194
      I agree in both chapter 8 and 9 because you can't persuade someone that doesn't want to be persuaded and yes failure can provide valuable feedback.

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    4. I agree with you, because failure is not a bad thing. Sometimes it does lead to better things, and failing is just what we need so that we can see better opportunities.

      Mackenzie

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    5. I agree with your chapter 9 "Once you start thinking like a freak you will find that failure can provide valuable feedback" that's what I would use to pretty much describe chapter 9.

      Carlos Canales

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  2. They key points Levitt and Dubner make in chapters 8 and 9 are the keep the insults to yourself and is failure necessarily so terrible. Keep the insults to yourself is not the key when wanting to persuade someone who does not wish to be persuaded. Name-calling when you want to persuade will only make it worse, but rather to tell stories to be more believable. Is failure necessarily so terrible I do not think so. Failure may not be considered a total lost, but once you start thinking like a freak you will find that failure can provide valuable feedback. As much as people can still go as far to celebrating failure.
    Alexis Garza
    ENGL 1301-194

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  3. Keep the insults to yourself if you want to persuade someone. First know that it is going to be hard to do and why. Acknowledge the strengths of the opposing party even if you do not agree. Persuasion will work better of you have a personal story to tell for connection purposes.

    Failure is not necessarily a bad thing. It is a good and healthy thing when one is able to acknowledge that it is time to make a change. Many positive things can result from such insight, such as better mental health, and physical stress levels in the body.

    Suzy Brusen - ENGL 1301.194

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    1. Reply to Suzy Brusen
      Melinda Benham - Ch8 - Thank you Suzy for pointing out some things that I was not thinking about when I posted my blog. I think acknowledging your opponent’s side is very important. I was just looking at it from another point of view and taking into account my personal experiences. Goes to show how, I have a long way to go in changing my own thinking process. Retraining my mind is going to be hard.

      As far as your comments on Ch 9, the benefits you are referring to are in chapter 8, but I can see how the example would fit into giving up. If you give up and make a change in your situation, in this case, German Schoolteachers retiring early from their positions did have a positive impact on their mental and physical health.

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    2. Vilma Munoz - ENGL 1301.194
      Yes in chapter 8 telling a story is a better thing to do. In chapter 9 it's about not quitting because failure is not an option and thinking positive thoughts are good for you.

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    3. I agree with you, telling a story will actually let the other person know exactly how you feel explaining the story will help them better understand your thoughts.

      SanJuana

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    4. Failure is definitely not a bad thing like you said because failure sometimes can be the answer to thing you would've never had imagined.

      Carlos Canales

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    5. I agree 100% on how I said that persuading someone with a personal story comment will collectively help to persuade the other person.
      Alexis Garza ENGL 1301-194

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  4. The key points Levitt and Dubner make in chapters 8 and 9 are the keep the insults to yourself and is failure necessarily so terrible. Keep the insults to yourself is not the key when wanting to persuade someone who does not wish to be persuaded. Name-calling when you want to persuade will only make it worse, but rather to tell stories to be more believable. Is failure necessarily so terrible I do not think so. Failure may not be considered a total lost, but once you start thinking like a freak you will find that failure can provide valuable feedback. As much as people can still go as far to celebrating failure.
    Alexis Garza
    ENGL 1301-194

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    1. I agree their are other alternative methods besides quitting and giving up.Failure is just a motivation for one to keep trying and keep pushing forward.

      -Eric Prater

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  5. Melinda Benham - ENGL 1301
    Chapter 8 – It is very hard to keep a discussion of different views from getting out of hand. Levitt and Dubner tell us not to resort to name calling, but how do you keep from getting to that point. People put up walls. They do not want to see the truth. I would suggest that you stay as calm as possible when trying to state the facts. If the discussion starts to go south, then take a break. At some point, I would think you might have to stop and save it for another day. In some cases, people are just so steadfast in their beliefs that they will never change their minds. I do like how the authors do point out the obvious, because we sometimes overlook the obvious.

    Chapter 9 – When to give up is as Levitt and Dubner say, “Is the million dollar question.” People have been told that “quitters never win.” It is hard to overcome this mentality. The authors give several ways to overcome it. However, not giving up is so ingrained in most of us that it is hard to see the other side of the picture or the benefits. After reading the chapter, I realize that their points are very logical. Why put more money in a project if it is not going to succeed? I guess it is the same feeling for people who gamble. They say just one more time. I think HOPE could be another possibility of what drives people. What if you have a loved one in the hospital on life support? When is it time to take them off? In some cases like Apollo 13, Gene Kranz said “Failure is NOT an option.” But in medicine, if an experiment fails, then you know that is another way that did not succeed. You continue to look at other ways to solve the issue. Again, Apollo 13 was looked at two different ways. The mission itself failed but bringing our boys home was a success. Same as in the case of the ultraviolet light killing microbial bacteria, it worked but was too expensive to put into place. Go figure.

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    1. I agree with you, people do put up walls and it is hard to tear them down. You do have to stay calm and state the facts if they will listen. yes you are right about stopping and saving it for another day if another day arises.

      Some times when we give money for a project you just have to remember you gave it,Its a gift. So if it does not succeed that's ok its a gift. That is one way you can look at it not being a failure. Lets say it does succeed then every one wins and there is no failure in that. You made a lot of good points about failure. I thing I can say is they tried and was willing to do there best and succeed put their outcome may of been lacking. So lets try, try, try again no matter what the outcome. We will never know unless we look failure in the face. A person being on life support is a very touchy subject. When put your faith and prayer in God allowing him to work on their behave its not failure its up to him if he allows them to stay or go be with him.

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    2. I agree with you, because people in the younger generations do tend to have their minds set on something, where they do put a wall up, and they will argue until they think that their point is proven.

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    3. I love how you took the insult idea to a whole different level I would of never thought about that, but its true people can often be really stubborn and that can really trigger you off to insult them, therefore when it comes to persuading someone we must also have patience about how the people respond to our arguements.
      -Diana Amado

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  6. April Oyer ENGL 1301
    CH. 8 "Keep the insults to yourself' Trying to persuade someone with using bad language or name calling is not going to work if you want them to see it your way. Name calling is only going to upset and make them made at you. They may never speak to you or having anything to do with you again. Everyone has an opinion being good or bad, right or wrong they are in title to think what they want. Just because they do not see the importance of an issue your way does not make his idea wrong. maybe taking time to listen to their point of view and not pushing yours could open the lines of communication. Some times it just takes a quite and gentle a poach to help some one to be persuade instead of being nasty and harsh. No reason to be unkind to be able to get one's point across. Just maybe letting them know that their input counts they will stop and listen to the story to be persuaded.

    CH 9 "Is failure necessarily so terrible" There is all kinds of failure we face everyday. We have failure by paying a bill late, not getting to school on time or needing to finish a project for class that was due last week. The beautiful thing about failing is we are able to get right back up and try again. Sometimes failure needs to happen in a situation when the out comes are negative or may cause us harm. So failure needs to happen good or bad it will help us to think about it and try again if necessary. Failure is not pleasant and their are consequence but we have a choice just to lay down and be defeated or get up and make the best of it to succeed. When failing it will help us to look back on past failures and it will make us strong individuals.

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    1. I agree on your respond on chapter 8 . like how you dont want to take someone name to persuade.

      Parth Patel

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    2. I agree with you from Chapter 8, name calling will never get you anywhere. People would also hate and resent you and they would want to avoid you in any possible away.

      SanJuana Salinas 1301.197

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    3. Ch 8- name calling isn't a good way of trying to persuade someone...great point.

      Ch 9- I liked the point you made about failure in paying bills, school, and projects.

      Jeff New

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    4. I agree their are other ways to communicate to someone rather than calling them out of their names.

      -Eric Prater

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    5. I agree with you on Ch.8 there or better ways to get people to do things other then calling them names.

      -Ya'Shika Williams

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    6. Ch 9- Failure is the key to get back up to succeed if you want too totally agree. For example, when you tryout for a soccer team in high school and do not make it the first time this failure is not bad at all. Actually it's positive for you to get up workout twice as harder for the next tryouts. Failure can cause being depressed, but then most of the time it should help you succeed more in life.
      Alexis Garza ENGL 1301-194

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    7. I agree with your chapter 9 statement, if we could watch what we say during an argument then both parties benefit.

      Kimberly Roubieu
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  7. Ch 8 "keep the insults to yourself" if you're wanting to persuade someone. If you're a dick to someone, then why would they want to listen to what you have to say?

    Ch 9 "...is failure necessarily so terrible?" failure, though it doesn't seem like it right away can be a good thing because we can learn from those failures and grow from them. you can use the data of why you failed and use it to help you next time around. - enrique

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    1. LOL...I agree with your chapter 8 comments.

      Chapter 9 also, we all can learn from our failures.

      Jeff New

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    2. No better way to say chapter 8 I totally agree with what your saying
      Chapter 9 I also agree because the key to success is to have a little of failure sometimes.... sl

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  8. Chapter 8 "keep your insults to yourself" you dont want to call out name that would be really bad to persuade peoplewho dont want to be persuade and that can make you his enemy.
    Chspter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" I think its terrible but that will lead you to a point that no one has been there before so that part of sucess that your are the one who have done and celebrate with party or cupcake !!

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  9. Chapter 8 "keep your insults to yourself" you dont want to call out name that would be really bad to persuade peoplewho dont want to be persuade and that can make you his enemy.
    Chspter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" I think its terrible but that will lead you to a point that no one has been there before so that part of sucess that your are the one who have done and celebrate with party or cupcake !!

    Parth patel

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    1. i do agree that if you call out names to someone who you are trying to persuade its only going to make the things worse however in chapter 9 sometimes its ok to fail because failures could be the key to success... SL

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  10. Angelica Montano ENGL 1301
    In chapter 8, the authors explain that most people are complete ignorant of what the origin of a big problem truly is but of you want their help you might not want to point that out,"keep your insult to yourself".In order to persuade them to join to solve the problem, it would have to be presented as something that would benefit them as well.Chapter 9 Levitt and Dubner help the reader understand why is important that people think twice abut what their doing and how it will benefits them,"is failure necessarily so terrible"

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    1. Melinda Benham - Ch 9 - Angelica, I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say about this chapter. I do not remember where the authors talk about thinking twice. Could you please send me the page number? I might have missed it. What I remember from chapter 9, is that it is okay for people to fail in some cases. They can also celebrate it. Failure can sometimes be good like in the example Levitt and Dubner give when they are talking about the field of medicine. If an experiment fails then that is another idea that can be put away because it did not work. There is plenty of other possibilities that might work.

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  11. Vilma Munoz- ENGL 1301.194
    In chapter 8 "keep the insults to yourself" is about wanting to help persuade someone without insulting them unless they don't want to be persuaded because you don't want to make them your enemy.
    In chapter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" I think failure is terrible only if you quit on something that was very important to you. But the experience will also help you regain more confidence in yourself.

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    1. I agree with the statement you made in Ch. 9 sometimes it takes failure to make us see the things we need to change in order to make us better, and the experience we gain from our failure helps us in the long run.

      -Ya;Shika Williams Engl 1301

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  12. In Chapter 8 " keep the insults to yourself" was about if you are trying to persuade some one don't put them down or call them names just because they don't agree with you or care about what your trying to explain. Everyone has his or her opinions and name calling will not make them change their mind.

    In Chapter 9 " is failure necessarily so terrible? is about not being afraid to quit or give up if something is not working for certain reasons quitting is the best option because that task has no remedy. It is good to quit because in the long run you will still come out on top and succeed in something else.

    SanJuana Salinas 1301.197

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  13. In chapter 8 "keep your insults to yourself" is about keeping all your negative thoughts to yourself rather than persuading someone through a insult its not only going to make your situation worse but they are less likely to be persuade by you because of your smart remark.
    In chapter 9 " is failure necessarily so terrible" in a way failure could be terrible but also not. If you attempt to do something and your new at it and fail its not so bad. But if you been attempting to do a certain thing for a while and fail it looks bad on you because you were trying for a long time to accomplish something and you stop. even though you failed in a way you also learn a lesson from it so that way you don't make the same mistake twice. Sarah Lucio

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    1. I agree with both of your statements. Smart remarks are going to get you no where if your trying to persuade that person.
      We do tend to just stop if we failed at something for a long time. I feel the more you accept failure the better person you will be.
      -Rosa Picazo

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  14. Chapter 8- We don't have to insult someone just to persuade them. Persuading someone comes in different forms such as a story, car salesman, and politician.

    Chapter 9- Quitting can be to your advantage or disadvantage depending on the circumstances. Letting go can be a more subtle way of putting it.

    Jeff New

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  15. Both chapter in chapter were great!

    "Keep the insults to yourself" (Chapter 8).Was a great chapter because it can possibly relate in today society.For instance if you have nothing nice to say to someone then do not say nothing at all because you never know how your rude gesture can make someone else feels.


    "...is failure necessarily so terrible?" (Chapter 9).Chapter Nine gives a good understanding for many who is unsure of the difference between quitting and failing.Its quite fine to fail in life but its even work to quit.Quitting is giving up on things that may be difficult but failure is make mistaking and falling sometimes but getting back up and giving it another try!!

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    1. I agree with your statement for Chapter 9. Many of us are afraid of quitting, yet quitting sometimes is the best option for something better to come. we learn from our mistakes, or at least try to.
      -Rosa Picazo

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  16. Both chapter in chapter were great!

    "Keep the insults to yourself" (Chapter 8).Was a great chapter because it can possibly relate in today society.For instance if you have nothing nice to say to someone then do not say nothing at all because you never know how your rude gesture can make someone else feels.


    "...is failure necessarily so terrible?" (Chapter 9).Chapter Nine gives a good understanding for many who is unsure of the difference between quitting and failing.Its quite fine to fail in life but its even work to quit.Quitting is giving up on things that may be difficult but failure is make mistaking and falling sometimes but getting back up and giving it another try!!(Eric Prater)

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    1. Getting up and giving things another try or try other things may help a person in many different ways. I agree with you.

      Nelson Ruiz

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  17. Ch.8-When thinking like a freak you will occasionally get the shorter end of the stick. Some people are not ready for certain questions, and will get offended by them. Then when trying to prove a point, they obviously disagree with you, but will want to argue which can get pretty upsetting, resulting in name calling an other situations. Name calling is not the answer to any situation, as it will cause an up roar. Making sure that you appreciate your opponents opinion, will help voice your opinion more.

    Ch.9- One of the reason we don't quit is because we were always told "a quitter never wins, a winner never quits." We coordinate quitting an failing as being the same thing, when they are not. by quitting certain things, such as what looks like an argument that is about to start, we are just being a bigger person and sometime we can benefit from just walking away. We also don't pay attention to better opportunity's when we are focused on other things.

    Mackenzie

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    1. I agree with your statement from chapter 9. Quitting and failing are two different defenitions but quitting something can also not be a terrible thing afterall like the example you set about leaving an arguement before it gets worst making you the bigger person.
      -Diana Amado

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  18. In chapter 8 " keep the insults to yourself" Is about wanting to help persuade someone without insulting them at the same time unless the person doesn't want to be persuaded then that's totally different you don't want to make them you enemy.

    In chapter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" Failure is terrible if you give up but it's another story if you learn something from failing then it's not necessarily so bad.

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  19. chapter 8 keep insult to yourself, is good to stay calm and silent so that the person insulting you can see no response and keep quit. Forgive to move on.
    chapter 9 Failure is the greatest experience to most people because it is the best teacher. We make mistakes and think big instead of leaving it and repeat again

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    1. I agree with you because in chapter 8 if we stay quiet, and not say anything bad, we able to win the argument and in chapter 9 we learn from our mistake

      Emilio Eduardo Rodriguez Jr.

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    2. i agree as well knowledge can only be gained through mistakes, its the learning experience that holds value.
      Kimberly Roubieu

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    3. i agree as well knowledge can only be gained through mistakes, its the learning experience that holds value.
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  20. "Keep the insults to yourself" is an important key factor that comes into play when trying to persuade someone. By acknowledging your opponents arguements and also talking about the cons and not only about the pros, when persuading someone, it gives the impression that you are setting interest in the other persons well being; therefore insulting someone else may give the impression that you only care about youself and that you're a smart wise person that is better then everyone else by putting others down through insults. Aditionally it causes you to create enemies instead of allies because no one likes to be put down by others who think they are the "best".

    On the other hand failure is not a terrible thing at all. As mention by the authors "Failure can provide valuable feedback" even when we may not think it does it can still lead us to discovered that the methods we've tried before failing are the wrong ones for us and maybe we just need to follow a different direction even when have invested so much money and effort and time.

    -Diana Amado
    ENGL 1301.194

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    1. You make a good point when you say failure can lead us to discovering new methods we haven't tried before and we are able to get constructive criticism from others as valuable feedback.
      Jessy Alaniz

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  21. It is a book book worth reading over and over because all the the great stories and how you can beat the odds. the last chapters were a wonderful end to great book because it show you the up side of quitting . that quitting is not a total lost but know when is the right time to walk away. I really loved the story about David and how god sent an Nathan to tell him about the story of the rich and poor man. That the rich man took the only thing the poor man had the lamb and feed to because he did not want killed any of mast herds he had but, he severed only thing the poor man and feed it to him it angered him and then David said he should lived for that then Nathan said that man is you because you took a man wife from him thou should honer are neighbors wife. Noe Zuniga

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    1. I agree. The book was to say the least, entertaining. It gave me an insight into the power of critical thinking. The idea of thinking from a different angle of vision. The stories they used to put light on their message were entertaining and thought provoking.

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  22. In Ch. 8 :"Keep the insults to yourself" It mostly talks about name calling, and insults. You should never result in calling people names, because it usually makes the situation worse. It most like want work if you're trying to persuade someone.


    Ch.9 "Is failure necessarily so terrible"? Failure is not always a bad thing. Sometime we learn from it. How do you know if you can or can not do something if you don't try. If you fail at it just dust yourself off, and try again. But the next time around you will know what you need to differently. The key is to never give up!

    -Ya'Shika Williams English 1301

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    1. I agree with you on both chapters, because in chapter 8, if we start using hate words, it can completely change your argument and you lost the fight. In chapter 9, once we have fallen, we are able to rise once again.

      Emilio Eduardo Rodriguez Jr.

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    2. I absolutely agree with you. We are able to rise again. We just need to make sure that we are economic about quitting. Too much investment makes it harder to rise again. There are many times when I want to use hate words, but they don't win battles. They only alienate people.

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  23. In Chapter 8, "keep the insult to yourself" it is not just a saying, but it is something we have to do to try to win our persuasion. We have to learn how to keep our mouth shut and our ears open, to show our opponent that we are listen, even though we want to say something back to their statement that isn't true.

    Chapter 9, "is failure necessarily so terrible?," states that why is okay to fail. When you fail at something, you get to learn from your mistakes

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  24. Chapter 8 of "Think Like a Freak" deals with persuading people who don't want to be persuaded. A persuasive argument has to register with the recipient. It needs to be factual and logical. The author points out that no argument is perfect and there is of course always an opposing argument. In other words don`t dismiss your arguments shortcomings but at the same time acknowledge the credence of the counter argument. Keep your cool. Otherwise you might have lost him at "you troglodyte!" And don`t forget to tell a story that correlates to whatever your attempt at persuasion may be. Good Luck.
    Chapter 9 deals with the upside of quitting. Is there an upside to quitting? There have been times in my life when I have been forced to quit in my professional personal and even academic life. Though at times quitting is a relief it resonates of defeat. The important thing is you have got to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

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    1. I love me some kenny rodgers! A very well written blog, sir . noe

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    2. Your analysis of Chapter 8 is one of the only comments I agreed with completely! I appreciate that you took the time to comment not only on the fact that they mention insults as being a detriment to a persuasive argument but that you also touched on the importance of appreciating where the other party's argument as well. I believe that respecting the person you are trying to persuade means quite a deal to most individuals and they may be more likely to take your argument seriously if they feel they are being treated with the respect they deserve.

      - Lisa Esposito. 1301.194

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  25. In Chapter 8 "keep the insults to yourself" was about you trying to persuade someone without any name calling or making them feel unimportant. Listening to them but make your point.

    In Chapter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" No, when we fail at something its okay, we learn from our mistakes,

    Rosa Picazo ENGL 1301.197

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  26. Chapter 8: "Keep the insults to yourself" The key point in this chapter is that its important to know that when trying to persuade someone, insulting someone is not going to go very well and you are just going to make that certain person upset and he or she is not going to want to hear anymore of what you have to say. Always be prepared when trying to persuade someone.

    Chapter 9: "Is failure necessarily so terrible?" The key point in this chapter is that failure is not always a bad thing because what seems terrible to some people. Its a total victory to other people in ways that makes people stop from making an error. Once you start seeing failure as something good that when you need to realize that you have started thinking like a freak.

    Carlos Canales ENGL 1301.194

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  27. In Chapter 8 "keep the insults to yourself" Plays a big role in this chapter when it comes to proving a point/argument. Like many have heard the saying "f you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all. Falls to when trying to persuade someone not wanting to be persuade might lean ore into fighting words/ rough spot. Not everyone can be persuade or have their mind changed.

    In Chapter 9 "is failure necessarily so terrible" No, in life we are meant to make mistakes and fail. Not everything always works out the way we plan or perfect the first time. This chapter teaches you that failing is okay at times and does not mean to give up. It is two different things to fail and quit. Not just because you fail at first means to quit and give up on a dream, but it is a lesson to know from right to wrong on your next shot.

    - Lizzet Rivera 1301-197

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    1. I agree in chapter 8 with you. Saying a negative comment wouldn't help convince others. It might make others feel uncomfortable or irritated.

      Nelson Ruiz 1301

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    2. You are exactly right when you say "If you having nothing nice to say don't say anything at all" a simple golden rule. Being rude benefits no one in the end, you or the other person.
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    3. Hello Lizzet I agree with your whole post on chapter 9. I like that you pin pointed out that failing does not mean to give up. Everybody does fail at something in life rather it be jobs, relationships, friendships or even parenting. That does not mean you give up on what you failed at you pick yourself back up and get it together.

      Ashley Whitaker

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  28. Chapter 8 "Keep The Insults To Yourself" teaches to reader to try to be better at being persuasive. The author state, know your oponent might not be open-minded, be ready to face the flaws in your topic, and be logical with statistics and other forms of proof.

    The next chapter "Is Failure Necessarily So Terrible" mentions why is hard to quit and why would quiting be a better option. The author gave a list to why is hard to quit; the list contains: invested money and time, don't want to feel like a quitter, and avoid other possibilities. Getting to quit will lead to new options and may release stress.

    Nelson Ruiz Lorenzo 1301-197

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    1. I agree with you with being ready to face the flaws in your topic. Not everyone thinks the same way we think.

      Ashley Whitaker

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  29. Chapter 8- By insulting the another person, this person beccomes your enemy instead of an allly. This negitive feeback is permenent and adds to the the negitivity that outweighs the positive memories.

    Chapter 9- Sometimes quitting can help you, if you can learn when to quit and when to keep goingyou will save not only money, but time and effort on the specific idea. Failure does have a positive side by providing feeback which adds to the collective knowlegde.

    - Kimberly Roubieu 1301.194

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  30. Chapter 8- keep the insults to yourself. You always want to refrain from being rude to others especially when trying to persuade them or get them on your side. It does no good at all to name call or throw insults at someone when trying to be productive. You need to be as open minded as possible and be able to work well with others to actually get something accomplished.

    Chapter 9- is failure necessarily so terrible? not at all, but as humans we automatically associate ourselves failing with being a quitter/something bad.That's the norm, so it's easy for us to think like that. But, being able to learn when to stop and quit ahead can help benefit yourself in the long wrong. You learn what you can work on and better prepare yourself for next time.

    Jessy Alaniz engl 1301-194

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    1. True! Everyone avoids the flat iron guys at the mall and you don't want to be perceived that way when you're trying to voice your opinion.

      It is definitely better to quit while you are ahead rather than endure unnecessary drama.

      Allison Miller

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  31. Chapter 8 - Respect those you are trying to persuade. Authors Levitt and Dubner discuss the importance of not alienating the individuals you are trying to persuade by insulting them or belittling their intelligence. The authors also mention that no argument is perfect and that every argument is inherently flawed. It is very difficult for many people to separate themselves from an argument, to stay logical and unbiased, because of this we need to understand that when trying to persuade someone you need to first respect their argument as well as your own. Once you have acknowledged the strengths of your opponent's argument you can use those strengths to strengthen your own.

    Chapter 9 - Quitting does not mean failure. Failure is not admitting you are wasting your time and resources on a project or job that will never benefit you in the future; failure is denying yourself the ability to better your life. It takes courage and determination to quit something, like a job or a vice that is detrimental to your physical or mental health. Authors Levitt and Dubner mention a coin toss experiment, they noted that the people most willing to quit something were the individuals that were already willing to make a change in their lives. They mention how important it is to let go, to think outside of what you are used to and to quit in order to benefit your future self.

    - Lisa Esposito. 1301.194

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  32. Chapter 8- Levitt and Dubner are talking about keeping the insults to yourself in chapter 8. When you are trying to persuade someone hear their point of view first. Look at it from different angles and listen to their story. I good way to persuade them is to tell them a story they can relate too. Now as for insulting them to have them understand where you are coming from is never a good idea. It will just push them further back.

    Chapter 9- The author's in the book are talking about quitting. When most people fail we look at it as terrible thing. When you hear someone has quit at something you think of loser, failure, lazy, and much more negative thoughts. So most people just stick to what they are doing if they are not happy. Just so they can make other happy, because most people care what people think of them. Another reason people don't quit is because they already put time and money into the situation. As we all know time and money is really important as adults. Quitting does not have to be viewed so negatively it can mean one has found a job they love. Quitting can lead you to better things in life which will make you happy you quit.

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    1. Often times what you give is what you receive and that is important to bear in mind when discussing differences of opinions. You certainly should want to be well received especially if you are coming from a positive place with your opinions. The flat iron kiosk at the mall often has these pushy guys hurling out insults about your hair and how it could look SO much better with their product and how yours is clearly inferior. Their goal of wanting you to check out their product is not easily met because they have promoted their product at your expense. Before sharing an opinion it is important to keep the end goal in mind.
      Failure is not terrible. I think it is important to shed the negative connotation associated with failure. Although it could be incredibly awkward to cheer at every failure, a private pep talk should suffice. There are many opportunities that lie in the end of something. Failure helps strengthen resilience. In terms of not succeeding at something I think of it as a minor setback for a major comeback.

      Allison Miller

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  33. The point of not resorting to name calling is to effectively get your point across without bullying as discussed in Chapter 8. The goal is not to insult anyone; instead you are working towards gaining their trust so they will feel at ease with trusting your opinion. Doing away with the notion of “right or wrong” thinking opens up one’s understanding and their ability to be receptive to new information. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the validity of that opinion is not dependent upon whether or not someone agrees with it. In turn you might learn something from the way they listen to your opinion.
    Chapter 9 discusses the positive aspect of quitting. Contrary to popular belief a new beginning lies within every “failure”. It could actually be considered an incredible stroke of luck to fail at something because it redirects you to the correct way of going about something. In terms of failure I like to think of it as a minor setback will prepare you for a major comeback. Naturally the initial feeling of “failure” is a little hurtful it sort of leaves an impression of rejection with you, but the beauty in failure is your resilience is strengthened. Resilience is required to make it, so no matter what re-directions you encounter be resilient and emerge with excellence.

    Allison Miller

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